Monday, February 9, 2009
Contradictions
We are a nation that is perfectly willing to destroy a person's (person being a fetus) life with no idea whether or not this person (fetus) can feel or not, yet we will attack a person (this time an adult) for hurting a dog. We believe that our planet is going up in flames, but the leaders of the idea are flying around in private jets. We demand that someone should help the poor, homeless, and needy, but we kick all of the hobos out of a city when we appoint a new leader. Our founding fathers said, "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a FREE State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED," (The Constitution Of The United States, Amendment II) but we're trying to pass laws against owning guns. If we have freedom of religion, why are Christians afraid to show themselves? If we have freedom of speech, why are the Democrats trying to shut down people like Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh? Our own President can't be held accountable for appointing a corrupt cabinet without attacking the people who ask him why. What is going on around here?
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As far as the "no idea whether or not this person (fetus) can feel or not," we do have a good idea of when they can feel pain.
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http://www.abort73.com/HTML/I-A-2a-pain.html
Sometime between 20 weeks to as early as 8. They not only have the sensory and brain development required to feel pain, but they feel it more severely because they are undeveloped and sensitive.
Nice post. And yes, unborn babies can feel pain.
ReplyDeleteI believe that they can feel pain as well. I think it is getting to a rather odd point when we get all up in arms about animal rights but couldn't care less about a human being getting murdered. Especially when that human being is in its most helpless state. I know that the authors and signers of our Constitution would be ashamed of this nation if they saw us today. I know I am.
ReplyDelete"I believe that they can feel pain as well"
ReplyDeleteMy point is that there is no belief involved here, in regards to whether or not they feel pain.
Some people "believe" unborn babies aren't persons with rights--they're clearly biologically people (Dictionary definition: human beings, as distinguished from animals or other beings). Some people "believe" that a woman's "right" to choose is supernatant to the possibility of their being human life within her, literally taking the stance that the right to choose rules out the need to care; I personally know people like this.
To believe unborn babies don't feel pain, past the time periods I listed above, is to take up the belief of biological ignorance.
Bottom line is that a fetus is a human. Their shouldn't even be a question of whether killing a baby is wrong or not. It is murder! If someone kills a pregnant woman it is counted as a double homicide but when a doctor kills a baby nobody thinks of the murdering physician as a criminal.
ReplyDeleteSomething to know is that many "pro-choice" people today literally do not care whether the fetus is human, feels pain, etc. This is their mindset: is the baby in my body? Yes. Do I have the right to control my own body? Yes.
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ReplyDeletesince we are on the subject of killing people. How about war, euthanasia, and our health care system. This is a great site for the total number of lives lost in total in just the 20th century in war campaigns:
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But in total the numbers it comes up with are as follows:
(Matthew White, Historical Atlas of the Twentieth Century, 2001):
* Deaths by War and Oppression:
o Genocide and Tyranny:
+ 83,000,000
o Military Deaths in War:
+ 42,000,000
o Civilian Deaths in War:
+ 19,000,000
o Man-made Famine:
+ 44,000,000
o TOTAL:
+ 188,000,000
The U.S. Supreme Court ruling in January 2006 backed an Oregon law allowing doctors to help terminally ill patients to die provides legal backing that supporters hoped would spread. Assisted suicide has been allowed in Oregon since 1997. Euthanasia is also legal in Australia, Belgium, Netherlands and Switzerland.
written in 05/22/2002 By Steve Sternberg, USA TODAY
WASHINGTON — More than 18,000 adults in the USA die each year because they are uninsured and can't get proper health care, researchers report in a landmark study released Tuesday.The 193-page report, "Care Without Coverage: Too Little, Too Late," examines the plight of 30 million — one in seven — working-age Americans whose employers don't provide insurance and who don't qualify for government medical care. About 10 million children lack insurance; elderly Americans are covered by Medicare. It is the second in a planned series of six reports by the Institute of Medicine (IOM) examining the impact of the nation's fragmented health system. The IOM is a non-profit organization of experts that advises Congress on health issues. Overall, the researchers say, 18,314 people die in the USA each year because they lack preventive services, a timely diagnosis or appropriate care. The estimated death toll includes about 1,400 people with high blood pressure, 400 to 600 with breast cancer and 1,500 diagnosed with HIV.
That 18,000 is just for the US and only adults. Think globally with the lack of proper sanitation, food, and medical equipment or knowledge: how well other countries must be doing when it comes to these numbers? About a month ago in Zimbabwe, the lack of drinkable water was making hundreds of thousands of people sick. In Haiti, the lack of food and water has created a breeding ground for disease and malnutrition.
Compared to the numbers that we kill whether it be from war, "useless" (being too old), or not insuring and not taking care of. It seems we have a lot more issues to worry about when it come to the loss of life of a human being. If we are going to worry about the loss of life we have to look a the whole issue and not just one part. Unborns feel pain just as our neighbors, just as the animals in which we kill to eat, the people in which we kill to conquer, the dying that we leave to die, or the sick without proper care. WE MUST CARE about all these things.
I don't know if i agree with all of your points (primarily because I am unsure of what they all are), but in a general sense you may be correct. Your main point though is still unclear to me. perhaps you could humor me and summerize a bit?
ReplyDeleteIt seems we have become so concerned about things in which might be wrong, but forget to think of all else that is going on around us. Millions of fetuses have been aborted, yes. Hundred of million have been killed in wars. In many countries around the world the women and the babies they have are subjected to very dangerous situations because of their medical supplies, practices, of knowledge. If we are saying that abortion is wrong because it is not moral to kill. Then is it any more moral or legitimate to let people die or for countries to wage war in which millions (soldiers and not) are killed. How do we say one death is legitimate and another is not, one is legal and another is murder. Even though a little off course, it makes me think of capital punishment also. I think the way the original post started was not just posing a question about abortion, but it seemed that it has been mentioned more then the other ideas that were mentioned.
ReplyDeleteBut, maybe you can tell me what you were thinking when you first posted the first opinion Drew? Were you thinking it it would be solely an abortion discussion that would ensue?
ReplyDeleteTrue, America should also focus on the other major causes of death, but abortion is more controllable. Millions of babies/fetuses are murdered simply because people are irresponsible, but the majority of the problem can be changed by something such as a law. Things like war, however, are much more complicated and harder to fix. Ryans said that we must care about all the other things, but I think that we should focus even more on the things that we can change.
ReplyDeleteIt seems as though that is taking the easy way out of a tough situation. By saying it is easier to write a law to say that those "irresponsible" people would not be allowed to have abortions anymore. But, what would end up happening: foster and child care services would be flooded and illegal back alley abortions. I don't think that people are necessarily irresponsible by the choice, even though it may be controversial. What would happen if we try to tackle the very the health care issue, global climate change, gun rights issues, freedom of speech, and the freedom of personal privacy within our own country. Just because an issue looks easy the consequences of change brings with them a lot of potential new problems. Our country must become concerned about issues that are bigger than "us". We now live in a world were we are all very dependent on each other. if we only look at the thing in which are easy to change we have made an excuse for ourselves. if we not face the tough subjects it leaves us open to face much BIGGER problems later.
ReplyDeleteSo are you saying that because we have bigger fish to fry that it's not fair to talk about abbortion? People either choose to have sex or they choose not to. I'd say that answers the question of whether or not people choose to be irrisponsible. Nobody likes the fact that our soldiers die but the truth of the matter is the men and women who die for their country die for a cause, whether it be for liberty, national security, or to defend other nations. The criminals that are put to death for crimes are put to death FOR CRIMES. What noble cause does a fetus have to die for? To make life easier for their irrisponsible parent? What crimes have they committed? Inconveniencing their mothers? I'm not saying that capital punishment is right or wrong by the way. Doesn't it seem like an easy way out of this discussion to say that we can't call abortion wrong because other people are dying too? If this problem is so "easy" to solve, why should we avoid solving it?
ReplyDeleteAnd i had hoped that maybe someone would have the courage to address another issue that is brought up but everyone tends to gravitate toward this one. Fine with me though.
ReplyDeleteAnd the consequences of taking care of this issue is something that we sowed the moment that we made the destruction of the innocenct okay. We will reap the consequences eventually and they will keep building up the longer we wait to take care of the problem. Are we a nation of cowards? Are we to scared to own up to what we've done?
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